. >> i want to turn to recent comments made by john boehner who argued against any tax hikes as part of the deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. >> instead of raising tax rates on the american people, the damage it would do to our economy, let's start to solve the problem. this focus on tax reform, close special interest loopholes, and lower tax rates. instead of accepting arbitrary cuts that will endanger our national defense, let's get serious about shoring up the entitlement programs that are the primary drivers of our country's massive growing debt. >> sarah anderson, your response? >> it is crazy to be talking about, as he said, shoring up in time of programs. that is just washington speak for reducing the cost of these programs and limiting access. to think we need to shift the burden onto the backs of the poor and elderly is crazy, when we are in one of the richest countries -- the richest country in the world. our problem is our resources have been misallocated. the approach to the debt should be to look at the ways that we could raise revenue through fair taxation, incl